very simple en intuitive site for creating logos yourself, you don't have to be a design to use this site, it's pretty straight forward, everything is pretty muchset up for your prior to your design. you simply choose a template, add your own touches and you can download your logo directly from your user account. i find that this option is much quicker and easier than going through a designer. you have no idea what you are doing to end up with and how long it's going to take! i'd rather design my own logo any day. Thanks guys!